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Mailing List Instructions - A Must Read!

Our lists are unmoderated, but posting is restricted to members. That helps trap SPAM. Do not send SPAM to the list. Non-member posts are held for list manager approval (that's me, Robin Rowe). If appropriate I will probably put it through even when it is a non-member posting.

Mailing Lists

• CinePaint-Announce A low-traffic one-way list to receive announcements about CinePaint. A good source of information if you are not yet a user of CinePaint or are press. Announcements are cc-ed to CinePaint-developers and CinePaint-users automatically. You don't need to subscribe to this list if you are on either of those.
• CinePaint-Users Forum for all CinePaint users regardless of operating system. Please specify which version number of CinePaint and which operating system you are using.
• CinePaint-Developers Discussion of the design and implementation of CinePaint.
• CinePaint-CVS Change log of CinePaint source code changes. [Added 2008.03.11]

When our project name changed to CinePaint from Film Gimp our lists moved. Follow the links above to our list archives. Sometimes you can find your answer there. There is also an archive of our old Film Gimp list. To search an archive type your query into the search box in the upper left hand corner of the archive page.

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Do Not Cross-Post to the GIMP Lists

Please do not cross-post to gimp-developer or any of the other GIMP lists. Cross-posting to gimp-developer invites noise such as, "The best idea IMHO would be to drop this silly code duplication and help coding on gimp". These are two separate projects, with different goals and different people. We've never met the GIMP people, never worked with them, and that's fine. The CinePaint effort launched on SourceForge in 2002 as the revival of the obscure HOLLYWOOD GIMP code branch that in 1998 was in active development by GIMP developers. If you're curious this thread from the GIMP list explains.

Courtesy

Note that you don't need to apologize for asking a simple question. It's ok.

Diversity of opinion is good, but we want a civil list where everyone is treated with respect and courtesy. Those who can't state their opinions positively, or are unable to respectfully disagree with the opinions of others, will be removed. Do not make accusations. Do not call people names. Do not try to tell people what to do. Do not use fighting words such as stupid, dumb, idiot, wrong, and so forth. That is not ok even if the person you are calling stupid is yourself. No swear words or obscenities.

If nobody responds it may be no one knew the answer to your question, or that your question seemed confusing. Restating a question more succinctly sometimes draws a better response. If you receive a short or incomplete answer don't feel affronted. Do not presume you know what others are thinking or what their motives are. If you are feeling neglected or insulted do not share your annoyance with the list. Send a private note to the project leader off-list so we can sort out the problem.

Do not send "test" messages to the list. If you are having technical difficulties email the list manager.

No Evangelism

CinePaint has developers working on Linux, OpenSolaris, FreeBSD, Mac, and Windows. Don't evangelize or state a chauvinistic opinion regarding what software others should use. Just because the CinePaint project is open source don't assume others share your political views. We are not a forum for promoting Linux or GNU advocacy. Do not refer to any operating systems, or anything else, by derogatory names. Do not say Windoze.

Size Matters

Small attachments (about 50kb) can be posted to the list, but files typically should be (also or instead) submitted to Patches. Note that Patches isn't just patches. Any type of file that needs to get in queue to move into a release should go to Patches, for example, new brushes. Posting screenshots to the list is good, but they need to be lossy jpeg or gif in order to be under the size limit. If you want to make available a larger image put that on your Web page and give a URL, or ask me off-list to do so for you. If your attachment is too big your message will be held automatically for list manager approval. Size restrictions prevent overloading list subscribers who access via dial-up.

Plain Text

Microsoft Windows users should take care not to post HTML-formatted email. By default Outlook Express will duplicate each outgoing message in both plain text and HTML format. This consumes unnecessary bandwidth and annoys many users who dislike this "feature" because it displays useless gibberish in their non-Microsoft email reader. Spammers seem to like this feature best because it lets them embed pictures and viruses in email messages. Consequently, we trap HTML mail as suspected spam. Unfortunately, many Microsoft products have this "feature" on by default. You must turn it off yourself. In Outlook Express go to {Tools}{Options} and set outgoing mail to {Plain Text}.

Thanks!

Robin Rowe
Project and Lists Manager